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Lenny

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"Dealing with a house under contract?" , Wed 21 Mar 15:38 post reply


Our marketing efforts are beginning to generate calls!!! Dealmaker posted earlier in the week requesting input on what we learned last week - My response is that you can't afford to skimp, and pinch pennies on marketing. But most importantly, marketing requires a constant and consistent effort - especially when your just starting off. On that note, we implemented/added 2 changes to our marketing efforts in the past week. 1) Newspaper Ads: In addition to running an ad in the Penny-Saver, you need to advertise in the larger circulation as well - which for us, despite the cost practically being a budget buster, seems to pull calls from a different demographic sector of the market, and creates the law of large numbers (i.e., the more people that see your ad the higher probability of generating calls). 2) Postcards: It's worth the time and energy to build-up a list of targeted neighborhoods, and use a 2 step approach. Both ideas picked up from this site.

Now 2 technical questions from 2 different calls I have received since yesterday.

1) I'm dealing with a seller that has an adjustable rate mortgage. The loan was originated 10/98, for $217,000. He fell behind the 1st year, and the mortgage company (Household Financial?) through the arrearage to the back of the loan, approx. $8,000. - $10,000. About 2 months ago, he was thinking about refinancing, and the house appraised for $275,000. I'm still working on getting comps, but even the seller admits that the neighborhoods top end price is in the $250K range. He is current on his loan, other than the 1st years' problem. The current interest rate is 13%, and the current monthly note is $2,466 PI. TI is not escrowed, but you can factor another $275 monthly. If the equity is sufficient, this might be a good subject to candidate. However, the monthly outgo is big, and I'm almost certain that a L/O exit strategy can't cover the monthly obligation. The seller has stated he is willing to help cover part of the note. There is a lot that I need to address with the seller, but for now, my preliminary question is how can I protect myself with this type of arrangement - wherein the seller is agreeing to cover part of the monthly? These type of monthly notes are a concern for me - in these early days of investing.

2) My other situation involves a seller that has been jerked around by another fellow investor - since January. Today he had another scheduled closing fall through. The investor claimed he didn't have his paperwork completed. He's tired of being exercised by this investor. The seller is motivated, and needs to move quickly as he has been laid-off. He claims he is done with the other investor. My concern is how do I best verify and confirm this is so. I definetly think something in writing makes the best sense, but I don't know how to go about it or what to ask for. With the investor having a written contract on this house, there is nothing to stop that investor from filing a Memorandum after I close with the seller, and clouding my title. Maybe it's my newbie paranoia coming out in me!

Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Lenny


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Manneke



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"Re(1):Dealing with a house under contract?" , Thu 22 Mar 06:59 post reply


Could someone please remind me what the two step approach is for mailing postcards? Maybe I'm doing it and just don't know it....


Thanks.


Mark

 

Lenny

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"Re(2):Dealing with a house under contract?" , Thu 22 Mar 10:09 post reply


Manneke - In addition to providing my direct line, I provide the sellers the opportunity to call another line for a recorded message, to ask for a copy of our special report. It's just another way to open my pipeline of motivated sellers even wider. It helps capture those sellers that might be to intimidated to initially contact us direct.

After a follow-up call by me, if nothing initially develops with these sellers, I'll add them to one of my follow-up mailing list.
Lenny

Dealmaker & Ben - Thanks for your responses.

 

Manneke



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"Re(3):Dealing with a house under contract?" , Thu 22 Mar 10:52 post reply


Thanks Lenny.

Dealmaker
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"Preach it brother!!" , Wed 21 Mar 20:44 post reply


Lenny - Preach on!! I've been trying to drill that into these new investors and they just don't listen. They see "advertising" as a waste of money! Can you believe that??

Keep preachin' to 'em..

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1) Too much upfront cash. Sign a contract and try to flip it(retail). for $255,000.

2)Ask for a copy of the contract and read it carefully. See if the buyer has the right to extend closing this long. If the other investor's contract has expired, move in and sign the deal. Or the Seller can return any Earnest Money and cancel the contract if the contract has expired..actually the Seller would be entitled to keep the earnest money.

Move forward w/ your due diligence and see what you find.

Dealmaker

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"Re(1):Dealing with a house under contract?" , Wed 21 Mar 16:11 post reply


Hello Lenny,

My first impression on your first house is to runnnnnnnn. I hate the big ones with little spread. However you can still do a purchase aggreement with an escape clause and then market it to see what you get. As far as his first year arrears, you can do a performance mortgage with him for that amount but you probably will never see it.

The second one is to see if anything is recorded already by the other investor. Don't take his word for it. Ask the seller for a copy of the agreement he signed with the other investor. It may have expired.

My father just did a purchase agreement with a seller and when they went to close the other investor files a Memorandum. This stoped everything, the end result was that the investor paid my father for his subject to paperwork on a percent of his perceived profit potential. But my dad has a good attorney and this scarred the Sheets investor.

Do title work and have the title insured, this will gurantee you no pains later. If something shows up down the road the title co. pays the bill.

Ben




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